Choosing an alternative browser

Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 9:12 pm

Choosing a non IE browser is crucial to having a better experience on the Internet, and as well as a more secure and private experience! This article will discus about why it is important, and what the main choices are.

http://www.iceteks.com/articles/db.php/act.../altbrowser/p/1

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wldkos · Post by **wldkos** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 1:26 am

you definately should have mentioned spyware, malicious cookies, active-x and spybot results when using IE and using Opera ( spybot checkin 10,000 things, came up with NOTHING when I use nothing but opera.)

Otherwise, I am glad you tackled this topic now.

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Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:40 am

Yeah I did not go into that much details, but I forgot about the spyware, and the fact that sites can hijack the browser and put tool bars and crap like that. I'll add that in tonight.

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rovingcowboy · Post by **rovingcowboy** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:21 pm

hey guys did you know opera just released they had two security holes in their browser that need to be patched go to their site and get the updates. ?

sounds like i heard that for some other browswer before??

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Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:31 pm

Yeah, but that's an uncommon situation, but it's too common with IE.

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rovingcowboy · Post by **rovingcowboy** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:36 pm

You mean it is not a FEATURE in IE ?!!!!!

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:30 am

WeaZel wrote:
rovingcowboy wrote:

You mean it is not a FEATURE in IE ?!!!!!

Another great broswer is MYie2

http://www.myie2.com/

Built in ad-blockers, tabbed browsing, plug-ins, mouse gestures...oh and it's built on IE so compatability is a non issue.

It's still using IE though...

I would recommend Firebird now instead of the Mozilla Suite.

Firebird (Even with Mozilla.org's new design, I still prefer that page.)

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Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 2:34 pm

The reason some sites only work in IE is because they are badly coded, a properly coded website should work in as many browsers as possible. It's hard to make it look 100% the same in every browser, though I'm sure it's possible, but at least they should work properly. And sometimes malicious sites are not the user's fault, sometimes you can be on a news site or something and get a popup and then another, and another, then you accidentally click on one and it leads you to some porn site with 10 more popups, then maybe 5 to 10 "vote for us" thingies, then after having to reboot, you find yourself with 2 toolbars installed, your home page is changed, and you have a bunch of junk on your desktop.

Other browsers don't let that happen.

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Wren · Post by **Wren** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 2:57 pm

I use IE and run this program which will keep most spyware from being loaded on your system. Check out the support FAQ at the bottom of the page.

http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 3:41 pm

Wren wrote: I use IE and run this program which will keep most spyware from being loaded on your system. Check out the support FAQ at the bottom of the page.

http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html

That looks quite handy.

for example most sites only work properly in IE

No... Most sites look just like they should in non-IE browsers for me.

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manadren_it · Post by **manadren_it** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 6:18 pm

I hate to say it by I do kinda agree with diesel to some degree. The article is a bit one sided, and tends to do a lot of IE bashin. No wI'm obviously not saying I hate mozilla and do not recommend anyone switch, I love mozilla and wouldn't switch back to IE for anything. But the truth is, we still live in a very Microsoft world, where a lot of websites are built for IE and IE only. You can say that's bad coding, but that's really just a cop out to the fact that most people use it, otherwise coders wouldn't be able to get away with stuff like that. And while mozilla and opera are working towards compatibility, and more and more websites are being designed standards and other broswers in mind, we aren't quite out of the woods yet.

You make a lot of good points red, but it really doesn't make for good writing to completely ignore the other side of the argument.

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Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 6:39 pm

You can't forget the point of the article is to use an alternative, so I just tell the reasons why it's important, and IE bashing is the only way to go since if there's positive things to say about IE, then it defeats the purpose of switching.

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manadren_it · Post by **manadren_it** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:57 pm

yeah, but again, the article makes you sound like a common M$ basher, and while and while it's really easy to bash IE and ms, it's by no means uncommon. IE has long been critized by a lot of people, and a lot of readers will have written you off as just another basher long before they read about the advantages of the alternatives. I just think that you could've spent less time bashing IE and more time showcasing the advantages of mozilla and Opera.

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Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:22 am

Yep I find mozilla so much faster. With IE I was always capped at around 5KB/sec, I'd hit 10KB if lucky. With mozilla I usually get in the hundreds, using most of the potential of my adsl line.

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:40 pm

Yes, Firebird and Mozilla are great. Firebird 0.8 has been "almost out" for some time now. I was hoping it would be out today, but no...

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megaspaz · Post by **megaspaz** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 1:11 am

sh*t. i have to use IE at work. that lasted all of 1 day before i broke company policy and installed opera. i don't see what diesel is talking about. if someone is asking what browser to choose or any other software to choose, you're going to get mostly opinions. but if you want facts, then along with IE being able to render most of the shoddily coded websites, it has the most holes and exploits, is the worst at conforming to standards, and has the least amount of features of any other browser on the market. hell, the frickin' website designers at microsoft.com can't even code to where their own browser, IE, can render their website without getting fricking random scripting errors. anyway, use what you feel like using. try everything that's out there and make your own opinions on them. the above is basically just my opinion from using IE from version 3.X to the present versions. it is the worst browser on the market. that is my opinion and i won't muddle that up with facts.

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VictorEM83 · Post by **VictorEM83** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:45 pm

I use firebird now I love the tabs for my slower PC I can view more than one page at a time

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brandon · Post by **brandon** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:47 pm

Use Opera Victor.

BTW, welcome.

You probably know me from AF.

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Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:02 pm

I'm addicted to tabbed browsing now that I'm used to it. Not sure how I did it before

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:05 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: I'm addicted to tabbed browsing now that I'm used to it. Not sure how I did it before

Exactly! I could never live without it again...

Have you tried Opera, Victor? I'd suggest you try it out. I greatly prefer Firebird, but it's better than IE!

Oh, and Firebird 0.8 should be out February 9. This should be a noticeable improvement over 0.7, and I can't wait!

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VictorEM83 · Post by **VictorEM83** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:16 pm

Yup I remember you from AF, I tried opera but I'm hooked on firebird is runs the best on my P200 W/mmx and 64megs of ram running XP Pro

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brandon · Post by **brandon** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:19 pm

How did you manage that???

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Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:21 pm

Wow you have a slower pc then what my parants had.

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VictorEM83 · Post by **VictorEM83** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:26 pm

formatted the 4 gig HDD and installed fresh hacked copy of Win XP pro she runs good as long as I just run simple apps she slow on photoshop I feel like this->

I aslo have a faster PC but its not in my room

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Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:29 pm

ouch, I remember how slow my parant's p3 was. man, I was so glad when I built my computer. Opening photoshop on the old pc would take a good 5 minutes, then it would take about a minute to load the layer properties dialog. any type of render, I might as well go do something else lol.

An autocad render of a table, chair and fireplace took about a day to do. On my new pc it took about 15 minutes. LOL

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